First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Bigots Makes Statement on Protests

Seems the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Bigots has his pencil dick all in a tither over his churches being picketed! Well golly gee there Mr. First Bigot, but what do you expect when you give your church members BIGOT MARCHING ORDERS, instruct them to do all in their power to deny the gay community their equal rights...FUCK YOU Mr. First Precidency! Has it occurred to you, and your fellow Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day BIGOTS that most Americans (even Christian ones) are tired of the Church trying to legistlate their morality on the rest of the nation?

I'm not one to condone violence, prefer peaceful protests, but then sometimes in the cause of civil rights, people have to take matters into their own hands, take extraordinary measures in their attempts to win that which they are entitled to by right and law. I would hope the opponents of Proposition 8 continue to protest the Mormon Church of bigots, hope they continue to OUT those that supported Propostion 8, continue to OUT the businesses that those people are associated with. Simply stated, I would encourage the opponents of Prop 8 to take whatever steps are necessary to win their civil rights, and to hold bigots accountable for their horrid acts against God and his people. If that comes in the way of boycotts that cause businesses to fail, all the better, as God can use his choosen people to exact vengence, to smite his enemies.

First Presidency Urges Respect, Civility
in Public Discourse

SALT LAKE CITY 14 November 2008 Five months ago, the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints sent a letter to members of the Church in California, encouraging them to join the millions of other Californians from many religious denominations, ethnic groups and political persuasions in a broad coalition to defend marriage as it has been defined for millennia.

During the election campaign, both sides of the argument on Proposition 8 had ample opportunities to express their viewpoint. The result was conclusively in favor of traditional marriage. More than 40 states in the United States have now voted to protect traditional marriage, either directly or through their elected representatives.

Today the First Presidency issued this statement about the democratic process:

Since the people of California voted to reaffirm the sanctity of traditional marriage between a man and a woman on November 4, 2008, places of worship have been targeted by opponents of Proposition 8 with demonstrations and, in some cases, vandalism. People of faith have been intimidated for simply exercising their democratic rights. These are not actions that are worthy of the democratic ideals of our nation. The end of a free and fair election should not be the beginning of a hostile response in America.

The Church is keenly aware of the differences of opinion on this difficult and sensitive matter. The reasons for this principled stand in defense of marriage have already been articulated elsewhere. However, some of what we have seen since Californians voted to pass Proposition 8 has been deeply disappointing.

Attacks on churches and intimidation of people of faith have no place in civil discourse over controversial issues. People of faith have a democratic right to express their views in the public square without fear of reprisal. Efforts to force citizens out of public discussion should be deplored by people of goodwill everywhere.

We call upon those who have honest disagreements on this issue to urge restraint upon the extreme actions of a few that are further polarizing our communities and urge them to act in a spirit of mutual respect and civility towards each other.

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Proposition Eight is Personal...Do The Right Thing

Some people do not understand me, say it is impossible for me to be a Conservative Liberal. Sure I can be...as example, when it comes to illegal aliens, I would probably put myself strongly into the VERY RADICAL RIGHT WING of the Republican Party. They (illegal aliens) violated our laws, are criminals no matter who tries to say otherwise. They are lowering the wages of those in the lower and middle class, are stealing our jobs, and in some cases (mine included) have lowered the values of our homes, are destroying to some degree our neighborhoods. In short, my position on the issue SCREAMS conservative!

Then we have Proposition 8 out in California, and other similar efforts in states such as Colorado. How can any one morally or ethically defend their opposition of Gay Marriage? We are America, one of the core tenets of our constitution is EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL! Marriage is a legal right and responsibility with privileges and responsibilities governed BY LAWS, certified and recognized by a GOVERNMENT ISSUED Marriage License. The church has nothing what so ever to do with the Marriage License, or the legal contract that it represents. A church BLESSES a marriage. No one is FORCING CHURCHES to recognize or bless gay marriages...in fact, the church's blessing and/or recognition is not necessary! Two people, regardless of their sexual orientation or sex identification should be allowed too be married to the person of their choice with the full LEGAL RIGHTS and RESPONSIBILITIES that a marriage license represents.

Ask a abused child who grew up in a heterosexual Christian household if they would prefer living in a non abusive gay Christian household, and I'd be willing to bet that abused child would choose the gay household. That's not a completely intellectual question...as an abuse survivor, wish I would have had such a choice as a child. I know first hand that being heterosexual does not guarantee a good marriage, does not defacto make two people great candidates for parenthood. My parents went to church on Sunday, prayed to their Jesus, were respected members of that community...Monday through Saturday was a different story. For that matter, how come none of those supposed Christians ever spoke up...surely they could see my bruises?

What happened to the parable we were taught in Bible School that preaches, "Let he without sin cast the first stone."? Never mind, being rhetorical here...it's like a basic principle of Christianity says God gives us FREEDOM OF CHOICE, yet Christians in the name of God want to take that away when it comes to the Pro Life verse Pro Choice debate. Curious here...can you explain to me your reasoning...when I ask how God could let me be abused, I've been told by religious leaders that God gives us freedom of choice, and sometimes others make bad choices that see bad things happen to good people...should not that same arguement apply to abortion?Should it not be up to a woman to decide what she wants to do with her body, and what is inside of it? Again a rhetorical question...if Christians really believed in God and the messages of Jesus, they would respect the gift of Choice that God has given us, would let people use that freedom of choice in choosing their life partners.

Do the right thing California, and preserve a gay couples right to be LAWFULLY WEDDED. Vote NO on Prop 8!

Gay-marriage supporters work to make voters' choices on Proposition 8 personal ones

By LISA LEFF Associated Press Writer
SAN FRANCISCO November 2, 2008 (AP)

The Associated Press

Nancy Ayllon, left, and Shawny Woodward kiss during a No on Proposition 8 rally Sunday, Nov. 2, 2008...

Nancy Ayllon, left, and Shawny Woodward kiss during a No on Proposition 8 rally Sunday, Nov. 2, 2008 in Fresno, Calif. If passed, Proposition 8 would overturn the California Supreme Court's decision earlier this year to legalize same-sex marriage. (AP Photo/Gary Kazanjian)

(AP)

As California voters prepare to decide Tuesday whether to eliminate the marriage rights same-sex couples won five months ago, gays and their allies have been encouraged to tell co-workers and neighbors why legalizing the unions matters to them.

Same-sex couples who have married since June knocked on doors in neighborhoods across the state on Sunday to share stories with the voters they hoped to persuade to defeat Proposition 8.

In recent weeks, other gay opponents of the ban, including a Roman Catholic priest, a former Republican mayor and a small-town newspaper editor, came out of the closet to show how the issue cuts across religious and social lines.

Proposition 8 has turned into this year's most expensive election question aside from the presidential race. Religious and civil rights groups have poured money and effort into the drive, making it one of the nation's most closely watched races.

During his 23 years as a priest in the San Joaquin Valley, the Rev. Geoffrey Farrow offered solace to a mother who did not know how to relate to her lesbian daughter and to an 11-year-old boy who thought he might be gay.

Yet it was not until some parishioners confided they were confused about how to vote on Proposition 8 that Farrow, 50, decided he had an obligation to minister to a bigger audience — even if it meant publicly disagreeing with his bishop and other church leaders.

"By asking all of the pastors of the Diocese of Fresno to promote Catholics to vote yes on Proposition 8, the bishop has placed me in a moral predicament," Farrow began a homily he gave Sunday, Oct. 5. "They are making a statement which has a direct, and damaging, effect on some of the people who may be sitting in the pews next to you today."

He asked his parishioners to consider that their votes "can cause other human beings untold happiness or sorrow for a lifetime." Then he concluded by observing that he was prepared for any consequences of his words.

Do Not Like Moderator

So far, this debate is BORING, falling far short of what any of us had hoped for.

One Sarah Palin Gaff...she called Main Street TOXIC.

She just now opposes Same Sex benefits...claims she is TOLERANT. Sure the rabid religious right just peed themselves on that one. She absolutely OPPOSES same sex marriages.

On to foreign policy.